The IITs have set up a committee to evolve a performance-related incentive scheme (PRIS) to encourage well-performing teachers by giving them special incentives as available to ISRO scientists.
The committee, headed by IIT Madras Director Prof M S Ananth, comprises six members, including two from the IIT Faculty Federation. It is expected to submit its report by December 15, an IIT Director said.
The committee will study the existing PRIS in Indian Space Research Organisation where the scientists are rewarded with 20 to 50 per cent of their basic salary per month as incentive for their performance at organisation, department and individual levels.
"We hope the committee to submit its report before December 15. It will take into account the performance of teachers in terms of research work and publications and suggest a suitable incentive scheme," the director said.
Source : PTI
Monday, November 2, 2009
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Do not propose such type of incentives for IIT profs. Instead, IITs can also join with the non-performing incentives scheme like NITs. Now NITs has opted for non-performing incentives to degrade the Indian Technical Education. In this scheme, faculties have to kill the time and get the promotions. When our ministry (MHRD) is so fool, why not to exploit them and drag the money?
The comment by pku is quite uncharitable to NITs. As a person who had done his B.Tech. to Ph.D. in different IITs across the country (during 1977 to 1988)to some extent I know the standards of IIT faculty in those days and now.
We at NITs were severely affected by resource crunch which had changed a lot since we have become fully Central Govt. Institutions.
pku may know that IITs and NITs have their own role & part in this country.
This is not a personal comment against pku.
The comment by pku is quite uncharitable to NITs. As a person who had done his B.Tech. to Ph.D. in different IITs across the country (during 1977 to 1988)to some extent I know the standards of IIT faculty in those days and now.
We at NITs were severely affected by resource crunch which had changed a lot since we have become fully Central Govt. Institutions.
pku may know that IITs and NITs have their own role & part in this country.
This is not a personal comment against pku.
Recently, one student has joined VNIT Nagpur as Assistant Prof. after finishing his PhD from Dept. of MME, IIT Madras.
He has been placed in PB-4 as Associate Professor. So, do not join in IIT as faculties because with 3 year experience, you will be placed at PB-3 and with another 3 years of experience, you will go to PB-4. One can save 5 years if you join as Associate Prof. in NITs.
NITs are now good for faculties in compare with IITs.
There is no doubt that damage to IITs has been done to a great extent. Making 5 cadre system and spoiling the spirit of flexible cadre system in IITs, creating new deliberate miserable AGPs at various levels particularly for IIT faculty has been significant achievement of this HRD ministry to boast. I personally feel that, it has been utter failure on IIT side to be heard and cared either from institute or from HRD ministry. They are in dissatisfaction and it was evident from the GBM resolutions of different IITs, although they have accepted the pay scales.
For existing faculty, there is no equivalent thing in IITs for "getting automatic conversion from lecturer to Assistant Prof., from Assistant Prof. to Associate Prof. and fron Professor to Super Prof. as in case of NITs and UGCs and getting similar scales what have been given in IITs". There (in NITs), all Assistant Prof. are now Associate Profs. Since they are Associate Prof., they are in PB4. And that they just got it without facing any selection interview.
There can not be any equivalent for such things in IITs, hence IIT faculty are at loss. To compensate that IITs faculties, MHRD is giving peanut through incentive scheme !!!!
Shame on HRD minisrty !!!
Few questions to gopi: in NITs, a person with B.Tech. qualification can be Associate professor with PB4,by virtue of spending time, (if not killing time), where as at IITs at entry, one needs Ph.D. What quality can you expect in NITs system? Do not think hypothetically; most of the NITs Associate Profs can not do any research, in some cases not even proper teaching. If you talk about quality of IIT profs, atleast in pen and paper, they are much superior than NITs. Why NITs are not able to accept the same (IIT) quality teacher at least in pen and paper? What ever be the role of IITs and NITs? But it can not be to degrade the education quality. It can not be not to improve.
Prof.Siva has talked about a lucky chap who has joined as Assistant Professor and luckier enough to get PB4 through the recently withdrawn UGC regulation.
But, he should know the fact that there are more than 100 unlucky PhD holders in various southern NITs(the auther of this comment has better data about only the south based NITs ) who joined as Lecturers with a hope to become Assistant professors after the passing of NIT Act by the parliament.
These Lecturers are drawing a salary of approximately 31,000 even after getting PhD from IITs.
As per the G.O such Lecturers should have 8 years of experience and out of which 3 years at 8000 AGP to be eligible for Associate professor with 9000 AGP. A recent arvertisement has come from ISM Dhanbad with the above condition.Hope Prof. Prem will support my above statement.
To be the most horrible situation for NIT teachers, the so called old assistant professor and the present day 8000 AGP has been scrapped.
That means, a person who is joining NIT with a PhD from IITM, IITB, why IITs even Phds from MIT, Stanford etc etc,,,, should spend silently 3 years (without being eligible to apply for any higher position) to move to 7000 AGP, and again another three years (without being eligible to apply for any other higher position) to move to 8000 AGP and again another 3 years (without being eligible to apply for any higher position) to move to 9000 AGP.
ALL THE EXIXTING LECTUTERS OF NITs EVEN WITH PHD ALSO CANNOT MOVE TO 9000 AGP FOR THE NEXT 9 YEARS.THEY ARE PLACED AT 6000 AGP AND WITH A SALARY OF AROUND 31,000.
Prof, SIVA, kindly tell us now....,,, How is the most affected,,, IITs or NITs,,,,
PLEASE DONT SPREAD WRONG INFORMATION AND DONT ADD TO THE ALREADY BURNING AGONY OF NIT LECTURERS.
NIT LECTURERS ARE CRYING IN THEIR HEART AND FUMING IN THEIR THOUGHTS ,, PLEASE DONT ADD FUEL TO IT...
I would like to post or a detailed mail / comment to sri pku about his reaction to my comments since it is better not to discuss certain things in public whether it is regarding NITs or IITs.
How to do that ? can pku suggest a method?
I have studied IIT vs NIT pays in my blog:
http://unfairpromotionsatiits.blogspot.com/
Please feel free to send your comments
Answer to gopi: NITs or RECs old promotional scheme was better than the new one. New one demotivating and destructing. so adapt old promotional or qualification scheme with new salary.
Comments for NIT pay scales: New pay report clearly suggest: Research is strictly prohibited in NITs.
NITs are for the B.Tech. by the B.Tech. It is for quantity, not quality.
Where as, IITs are for the Ph.D. by the Ph.D. It is for quality, not quantity.
In NITs, teacher with B.Tech. will be appreciated and promoted and teacher with Ph.D. will be ridiculed.
NIT faculties should boycot all classes for these type of bogus rules for them in 6th PC. Try to inform all NITS and start your agitation at earliest. Then, you can expect better treatment from HRD if your statements are correct...
It is really sad news to know that one has to wait for 9 years for this 9000 AGP !!! I have no intention except expressing the anguish over latest developement in recent recruited at VNIT.
The Performance related incentive scheme should be extended to NITs also. This is because NITs (especially southern) have many such faculty with PhD/postdoc. We didn't expect this kind of rules by HRD which considers only no. of years rather than merit. At least HRD could have kept five years post-PhD experience for promotion to Associate Professor. There is no difference between faculty who are doing PhD and faculty who have guided PhDs. One can become a Professor the day he defends his PhD viva-voce! Unless performance related incentive scheme is introduced in NITs also, there is nothing left for faculty who join with PhD/postdoc and NIT system will have it's natural death slowly.
Dear NITian,
I think you are not aware that UGC is yet to finalise the eligibility criteria for direct selections in different posts at NITs. If it comes out to be MTech plus 5 years experience (or Ph.D. plus 3 years experience) for direct selection at associate professor level, you will be eligigible for PB4 just after 3 years of post-doc experience in NITs. That 9 years time bound promotion is for those who are not able to get through the direct associate professorship interview.
Dont forget that IIT Assistant professorship is a direct post having eligibility criteria equivalent to NITs' associate professor.
Dear Colleague,the promotional aspects mentioned by you are true but, hardly 10% of faculty will get that opportunity in NITs because we have only limited no. of direct posts at higher cadres and 90% of faculty have to depend on the longer route ie career advancement scheme for promotions. Because of this, one has to join at the lowest cadre irrespecitve of qualifications. That is why there are many incumbent faculty who have more than 15 years of post-phd experience(postdoc experience+10 years as lecturer+5 years as Assistant Professor) but are yet to become Professors. Above all, as per 6th pay committee rule,the faculty with same no. of experience but without PhD are also placed at same level and there is no recognition for publications, phd guidance and r&d projects. Hence, performance related incentive is needed in NITs to encourage the above activities.
NITs are now autonomous bodies like IITs. I think BOG of NITs must have power to play with number of posts at different level keeping total number of faculty members intact.
Dear Dr.S.B,
I am sorry to contradict your statements on this blog.Hope you are a professor in some IIT.I have huge regard for you.
However, most of your statements were wrong, and has created a wrong impression that NIT Lecturers were given respectable salaries and are going to get PB4 in 5 years.
But, sir , the fact is different.
I would like to have your kind attention to page number 6 of the WITHDRAWN REGULATION by UGC.
It says,for Direct Recruitment of Associate Professors,
i. Good academic record with a Ph.D. degree in the concerned / allied/relevant
disciplines.
ii. 55% of the marks, or equivalent grade wherever grading system is followed at the
Master’s degree level.
iii. A minimum of five years of experience of teaching and / or research in an
academic/research position equivalent to that of Assistant Professor in a University /
College or Accredited Research Institution/industry excluding the period of Ph.D
research with evidence of published work and a minimum of 5 publications as books
and/or research/policy papers in indexed/ISBN/ISSN numbered books/journals and
University developed -ISBN/ISSN list of journals hosted in the website of the
concerned University.
iv. Contribution to educational innovation, design of new curricula and courses, and
technology – mediated teaching learning process with evidence of having guided
doctoral candidates and research students.
v. A minimum score as stipulated in the Academic Performance Indicator (API) based
Performance Based Appraisal System (PBAS) developed by UGC in these Regulations.
Dr.S.B should note here that the WITHDRAWN DOCUMENT was once posted in UGC website saying, this document will be coming through Gazettte. However, within two days the said document was withdrawn, and the final decision is yet to be made by UGC.
In the meantime an advertisement has come from ISM Dhanbad for the Direct Recruitment of Associate Professors, which states that a PhD holder should have 8 years of experience and of which 3 years at the level of 8000 AGP.
Kindly refer the below mentioned link .
http://www.ismdhanbad.ac.in/noticeboard/recruitment/Special-Drive-2009-prof-assprof-asstprof.pdf
SIR, PLEASE DON'T SPREAD WRONG MESSAGES BASED ON A WITHDRAWN DOCUMENT AND KINDLY CORRECT THE SAME IN YOUR BLOG.
TO GET THE CORRECT DATA ABOUT THE PATHETIC SITUATION OF NIT LECTURERS,
READERS MAY KINDLY VISITY THE BLOG
http://www.nitpayscalesupdate.blogspot.com/
Dear Dr. S.B, your wrong statements are adding "INSULT TO INJURY"
Dear Dr. S.B,
You are very well aware that UGC has not come out with the final regulation .
In your previuos blog(UR personal Blog) you say that, If it comes out to be MTech plus 5 years experience (or Ph.D. plus 3 years experience)
If it comes out to be,,,,,, Can you please clarify what is the meaning of this statement ,,,,,
After knowing very well that the NIT Lecturers with PhD have been cheated by MHRD by offering very less salaries of around 31,000 and again by blocking their career for 9 long years, WHY U R SPREADING WRONG MESSAGES THROUGH UR BLOG.....PLEASE REMOVE UR FALSE STATEMENTS FROM UR BLOG AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE TIME,,,,,,,
Dear NITian
Dont get over panicked. The notification which you claiming withdrawn is very much there on UGC website. I assure you that it will be accepted as it is within a couple of weeks. So stop worrying about eligibility criteria for direct associate professor post. Regarding that ISM Dhanwad advertisement, you must be knowing that it has nothing to do with NITs. Cant you see that they are asking for Ph.D. as essential qualification for Lecturer (now asstt. prof.) post which is as ridiculous as Ph.D. plus 9 years post-doc experience for associate level. I again repeat that in NITs, the basic qualification at entry level of asstt. prof. can not be more than M.Tech. and at associate level, I dont expect them to set the bar above M.Tech. plus 5 years of experience.
Please refer to pku statement “ NITs are for the B.Tech. by the B.Tech. It is for quantity, not quality”, “Where as, IITs are for the Ph.D. by the Ph.D. It is for quality, not quantity”.
My dear friend major faculties of IITs have B.Tech, M. Tech education from NITs (RECs) /state government colleges. Doing Ph.D. from any Indian universities even IITs do not make much difference because you are from same [NITs (RECs) /state government] mind of set. You can crave a child not a person of age group above 25 years and so on.
There is nothing great in IITs and NITs (after converting from RECs) as per teaching and research is concern. IIT is IIT because of not faculties but only due to the students. They have been funded by central Government for all type of activities. On the other hand NITs are newly formed (Year 2002) and you can see the differences that these institutions are developing and many of the faculties are Ph.D. and rest of them are pursuing their Ph.D.
So Dr./Mr. PKU it is not a time to draw the line of division between IITs and NITs. We all have to work together for betterment of faculties of both the institutions by helping each other.
Rai, you have misunderstood my statement. I have not made this statement of own view, I just inferred from MHRD behavior towards NITs. Do you want to work with half salary at NITs and feel proud?
Dear Dr.S.B,
You have not yet removed the WRONG DATA related to NIT Lectureres from your blog. It gives a wrong impession that you are closer to MHRD.
Kindly remove the WRONG DATA at the earliest.
R u crazy.. look following link is still there on UGC website:
http://www.ugc.ac.in/notices/draftugcregulations2009.pdf
so dont piss around the bushes.
Dr.S.B,
That is ugc DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT regulation.
Again it DOES NOT ALLOW A M.TECH HOLDER WITH 5 YRS EXPERIENCE TO APPLY FOR ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR.
IT IS PHD WITH 5 YEARS.
Judging by any standard, IIT teachers have been 'cheated and humiliated' by MHRD. But who is to be blamed? Representatives of IIT Teacher's Federation were amused only by 'meeting' Kapil Sibal. They 'accepted' the peanuts thrown by MHRD. So why to blame MHRD?
Even the pay fixation for IIT Associate Professor drawing same pay ( say Rs 19100 in pre revised pay) as Asst Professor in NIT is one step below that of the later and IIT teachers were claiming that IIT Associate Professors are 'almost' equivalent to NIT Professors!
Present revision will have far reaching effects as these will form the basis for pay revisions in future also. IIT teachers should accept that they could not fight well for their cause.
NITs also deserved better scales than UGC. They are much superior than many ordinary Universities.
But, Alas jargons sitting in the ministry do not understand the difference. If all the technical teachers were united we would have got our dues, but IIT 'elites' probably have some 'secret deal' with MHRD which is 'not to be revealed' to others.Is it so?
NIT Bhopal Advt. (dated 11.11.2009) states at the following:
2. Associate Professor
2.1.Ph.D. Degree with First Class at Bachelor’s or Master’s level in the appropriate branch of Engg., / Tech., and experience of 5 years in teaching, research and / or industry at the level of Lecturer/Assistant Professor or equivalent grade, excluding period spent on obtaining the research degree.
It is a great opportunity for Postdocs with 5 years of experience to join NITs. They are eligible for AGP of 9,000 right now. However, in IITs they will be eligible for this AGP after 3 years.
3. Professor:
3.1.Ph.D. Degree with First Class at Bachelor’s or Master’s level in the appropriate branch of Engg., / Tech., and experience of 10 years in teaching, research and / or industry, out of which at least 5 years at the level of Reader/ Associate Professor or equivalent grade.
It is a great opportunity for IIT assistant professors in service for more than 5 years to switch over to NITs. They are eligible for AGP of 10,000 right now. However, in IITs they will be eligible for this AGP after atleast 5 years after clearing 2 interviews (for Asso. in 2010 and for P in 2014).
Demands of Polytechnics faculty happily accepted by Kapil Sibal. They have also been given PB-4. IIT's Asst. Professors are worst than those in salaries. Poor 'too elite, too gentle, too sobre, too forward, too much educated and too ...etc. etc.'- IIT faculty !!
It seems IIT faculty have been deliberately humiliated by MHRD.
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